From https://bun.sh/

basically npm is more stable

bun is a node replacement while npm is for packages

bun just includes features what npms has so it completely replaces npm

so its bun vs npm & node

for now i would say using npm & node is more stable while bun is still in development

it really depends on what project u build

bun is indeed faster than node tho

Alright, thank you

I'm just new to JS/TS

I want to build a nextjs website and I'm overwhelmed a bit

Nextjs isn't compatible with bun

running bun invokes node

ill stick to npm & node.js

wait, looks like it does support next

yea, I tried doing bun dev and it run my next js project

earlier it used to invoke node under the hood as nextjs used some node specific APIs

its so confusing when the backend and frontend is together and you can render on server or on client I don't understand that

I see

If you don't know why you need server side rendering, you can pretty much always render on the client if you put "use client" at the top of your files.

This is more similar to vanilla react

but I want to know when and if I need that.
because there is a reason it exists.

Server side rendering takes away your ability to use client features like useState and useEffect, but in exchange you get to use server side features like importing data directly from the database instead of using a fetch call to get the data

I see...

that's interesting

So for example, if you're using mongoose to fetch data, you can just mark your server component as async and await the response form the database before using that data in the component.

I need to find a tutorial which explains all that stuff

It's kind of hard to wrap your head around. Took me a while.

I guess it will take practice

but I'll only learn it by building something

that's the best way I have learn my other programming languages/frameworks

That's exactly how I learned. Luckily next.js is popular so there's a lot of resources out there

yeah so the users won't see the loading screen

They have a solution for that. read into the app router a little. You can pass it a loading file it will render until the server page is ready

that's cool, I'll try using that

It still does that (for now), unless you --bun or don't have node installed

But the bun runtime support of nextjs is decent now (no means perfect tho)

during development or if you are just building stuff for fun or learning purposes, you can use bun package manager as it installs packages much faster than npm, then when you are deploying via docker or something like that you can switch to npm & node or other stable runtimes

this gives you the best of DX during develoment and stability in production

Can I ask what is unstable with bun install, I'm genuinely interested as it is very stable now... the runtime is good but it's node compat with minor querks is issue

(Dealing with 2 pkg managers means no actual lockfike- and thus less stability)

And as I said above, bun package manager doesn't force bun runtime

bun >>>> npm on every single measurable metric, so my answer to this question is no, there just isn't a reason to use npm instead of bun. the fact that the Dockerfile is one line longer in case of bun compared to npm is but a tiny disadvantage easily overcome by the significant DX gains from using bun.

and yea if you absolutely want to use npm at all cost, stick with it. do not use two pm at the same time.

You are right, forget what I said above